What is something everyone needs, but few get enough of it? Rest. Rest and relaxation is vital to productivity and creativity. Rest rejuvenates our minds, bodies and spirits, so that we can enjoy life and perform at our maximum potential. Yet, most of us push ourselves for long hours and rest only enough to keep us moving along. In their conversation Ramona and Saleemah Abdul-Ghafur talk about their journeys in discovering the importance of rest. Saleemah encourages rest, suggesting ideas on how to rest in different ways without guilt or shame. Saleemah is the Director of the Office of the Chief Communications Officer and Chief of Staff of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.